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Saturday, 20 September 2014

Polling Day 18th Sept 2014 & Vote Rigging

Polling Day arrived on 18th Sept. Doors opened at 7am - 10pm.


I woke up very early that morning. I can honestly say this was one of the most exciting days of my life. There was hope. 

I went to the polling station - mine was Baljaffrey Primary School.

No police. Better Together campaigners mind you. 

I put my little cross on the paper - should Scotland be an Independent Country - HELL YEAH!

The paper - was thin, nothing printed on the back, very odd? I didnt get ID'd either at the polling station. Anyway popped my vote into the box and off I went - hopeful and excited. 

Several reports of people showing up to vote only to be told they had ALREADY voted? 

Sean McMillian "My cousin went to vote in Stevenston but someone had already voted in her name. Just another example."

Arlene Moran "My friends son went to vote but his vote had already been used they phoned the police but have to report it to the electoral people before they will get involved would this be your local council electoral department ? "

Alan McGillveary : "I personally witnessed two guys turn up to vote no who said their property in the Kelvin ward had already been demolished...How many "phantom" voters in Scotland?"

Deceased people getting votes? Minors, under 16 getting votes? Duplicate Votes? Ex-pats living worldwide managing to get votes, often more than one???

My Ballot paper did not look like this - it was thin paper, NOTHING printed on back - no "unique identification number"
Several other people say the same! So how did they get these statistics? How can they tell 65+ voted 75% for NO?

This is a polling card a mother got for her 6 year old son?! A 6 year old could have voted - WHAT? His Passport below......




Polling stations shut 10pm ..... and off to the count 

Now if you live in Scotland - you will know. The media was clearly on the NO side. However the public, the majority were on the YES side. Everywhere you looked there were YES flags, stickers,posters - my friends and family at least 80% YES , and everyone else I spoke to says the same. So the final result came as a MASSIVE SHOCK!

55% Vote NO 
45% Vote YES


A statement from Mhairi who was a polling agent at Bannockburn 





Posted by RYAN HUNTER in Aberdeen : "I was at the polling station from 7am until the polling station staff left. At 10pm a van turned up and removed signs and the individual polling desks within the polling stations. There was a bus with the driver and 3 or 4 people wearing high visibility vests. The polling station staff boarded the bus. As they were doing so I took a pic" Location :  Danestone congregational church, Aberdeen (Fairview street) First Bus : September 18, 2014 10:14:07PM


1.Did you all know that ballot papers were not picked up under secure conditions? Just some person with no security or surveillance??? 
2. Riot police cleared everyone from the royal mile at 3am what did they know that none of us knew? Places had licenses to stay open till 5am!
3. Reports all over the place of people working the system to have vote even though they don't stay here but they have property they rent out.
4. Postal votes have went missing.
5. Big rush on housing market of houses up for sale. 
6. Cameron and crew didn't have any plans for a yes vote..... how confident is that?
7.Bets in Scotland from the people for yes vote were in majority...
8. Possible vote tinkering caught on film....
9.countless stories of intimidation
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11 Two evacuations in Dundee... how handy but I still believe most of the rigging went on at a lot of the polling stations before our votes were treated like crap I.e no security any old person and any old van.
and a fact just out of old Scottish humour more than 70% of Scotland depressed....
All these things point to YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT'S BEEN BLOODY RIGGED!
Watch these two videos http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RCe55y0dw
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10201496218046165 Have been told this is a Russian video but it shows if it can happen there it can happen here!
Dundee had 2 fire alarms go off, and rooms evacuated for 20 minutes - ballot boxes sitting in room with no supervision. 


There was no seals with numbers at Blairhal there was no numbers on the cable ties




A man from Helensburgh and Lomond posted this....
"I've just heard via my mother who's friend was working at one of the counting stations that she witnessed ballot boxes being destroyed and has video evidence and is going to the police with it folks this is actually unbelievable"

No Yes Votes, really?


Marc Pat makes a statement about Vote Rigging 

Statement from Joyce Armour - who was a polling assistant! 




I am posting this photo from the count in Aberdeen..I have circled adjudication place mats on the counting tables..enumerators DO NOT Adjudicate doubtful votes!!!! 

Its not possible to pour papers out & for them to come out into a neat bundle like this 

Fife - How can they come out boxes with elastic bands already on?




This was posted in Aug on BT facebook - HOW would they have known 65% of postal votes are no? The postal votes weren't opened until 18th along with rest?

Ruth Davidson admits Better Together were sampling postal votes




Yes papers on the No Table???



They declared 130,000 + in West Lothian yes? so while we wondering what happened to all the votes in Glasgow and Dundee, West Lothian gained an extra 11,000 from ... somewhere!



Quote Mark McNaught ; "I was at the Glasgow vote count and it's easy to see how the vote could have been rigged. It took place in the cavernous Emirates arena. There were tables spread out over hundreds of metres where observers could walk around and watch the counters separate into yes and no stacks and put them into bundles. I walked around looking over the shoulders of people who were doing informal marking and it looked a blowout for yes. A guy with a computer was tabulating the informal surveys and it looked at least 60-40 for yes in Glasgow. I think the official tally was 53-47. The stacks were put in boxes in the packs which was off limits to anyone. Yes stacks could have been put in no stacks easily. This would have been done by election officials rather than counters. This was in Glasgow where there was more monitoring. Smaller constituencies were even more prone to manipulation. An internationally observed recount needs to take place, if they haven't already burned the ballots."

Both Dundee and Glasgow may have voted yes but the figures did not match expectations. Nor did the vote turnout. There is no way this vote was rigged by clerks miscounting, spoiling papers etc. That is not how vote rigging is done.
The most used methods are 
1) Scaring the people into an establishment vote, often by violence, sometimes by fear. 
2) Swapping ballot papers in large numbers: eg; in an area predominantly for a particular choice, whole boxes would be swapped containing mainly establishment vote. 
3) Whole boxes of votes from anti establish enemy areas completely removed and the registers altered to make this look like a lower turnout.
4) Falsifying voters roll - not a likely option, yields a poor return for high risk
The above would require poor security from polls to count or possible temporary evacuation of a polling area for something like a fire scare !
All changing would be done by govt agents eg MI5 not by clerks.
However they would encourage lots of opportunity for vote rigging allegations to be made. When these prove to be nonsense/irrelevant it makes all further accusations seem ridiculous and desperate.
If this vote is rigged it is a long time planned. The clauses re recount/vote in Edinburgh agreement are odd ! No exit poll is also odd !
Bookies paying out early- despite close polls is bizarre and requires fraud squad investigation.




Also - BT announced in AUG that 65% of postal votes were a NO? How would they have possibly known this?

Another little known fact - all postal votes were sent to England first, then back to Scotland? Why?

A Statement from Theresa MacGillivray  "My London based neighbours, who use their Scottish house for Christmas Easter, weekends and part of the summer, (some members of which own property in London and haven't lived here for years) voted by post, using their Scottish "holiday" home as their address"

A statement from Sharon McDonald : "I would like to offer the following observation. I was an enumerator at the referendum vote count on behalf of Renfrewshire Council. The Returning Officer was David Martin, Chief Executive of Renfrewshire Council. 
The vote counting was finished at 2.30am. What then happened appeared to be a mystery to me. 
Mr. Martin and his assistants in suits seemed to be in a flap. This consisted of staring at laptops in front of those who were responsible for collating results and strong words were obviously exchanged. 
As time marched on Mr. Martin paced around the hall rather nervously.
Then there was more meetings up a corridor out of view.
There was one lady with a laptop who it appeared was responsible for collating all the the votes but something wasn't going well.
She was taken away by one of Mr.Martin's assistants, out of view of the public, only to return and disconnect her laptop and leave the hall with it under her arm.
Mr.Martin still paced the floor looking uneasy talking to what looked liked aides.
As time passed from 2.30am until declaration time (4.52am) there were visible signs that those in charge weren't happy with something.
During this process there were observers watching everything that the enumerators were doing but not what was being carried out by those recording on the laptops.
From 2.30am until 4.52am the reason we were given for non declaration was to wait for a TV slot....
I would like my friends to share this to see if there's any similar experiences, thanks"



Quote: 'These boxes were driven in cars by people on their own. These people were those who also had access to spare tags. We are not insinuating that anyone of these three people would have tampered with the boxes but if this is the system country wide we have a major problem'.

Independence Climber "Last night we challenged the presiding officer regarding the transporting of ballot boxes in single manned cars. Our ballot box was not an issue as it went straight from the hall into the van with the guys to take it to be counted. They had to wait until three personal cars arrived with boxes from other areas. These boxes were driven in cars by people on their own. These people were those who also had access to spare tags. We are not insinuating that anyone of these three people would have tampered with the boxes but if this is the system country wide we have a major problem. When asked what the rules were, she replied, "I do not have that level of information. You will need to wait until tomorrow. It doesn't matter now anyway. It is too late." Naturally we were shocked at her attitude and also her lack of understanding of the legal process. We wrote out a statement. Apologies. It was dark. She also made some corrections. I witnessed all three vehicles but the group of us only witnessed two. Hence we only refer to two. The process was the same for the third. I heard her ask the female in one vehicle, "Are you alone?" To which the person replied, " No, someone followed me but they've gone now." We saw her arrive without escort. The second driver was not asked the question despite also being alone. Why ask if it is not protocol? Someone her is lying or not doing things correctly. Not happy at all. Not sour grapes. Just facts. Made us all feel sick last night."






SCOTLAND VOTES NO? Really? 
NO – 1,914,187
YES – 1,539,920
Why did 1 million people not vote who were registered?
= 3.4Million people
4.3 Million registered to vote
WHAT GIVES? Why go to all that effort of registering and then not vote?

Why that many?

Where are these votes?



And then come the stories :

My in laws went into the council office in Skye and asked for a postal vote (they did this in August) as they would be on holiday. They left on 11th Sept & postal votes never arrived. I phoned up about it & was told they had never registered? They sat and registered in person in the council offices, and the form was faxed for them by the council officer? How is this that they never got their votes? They also said every 2nd house in Skye had YES posters up , yet Skye said NO to Independence! Doesnt make sense.

Note this above & this post from twitter



My friend Tricia McDermott - said her Mum's postal vote never showed up either. 

Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.



Russia Cries Foul - The Guardian 

"Russia has said the conduct of the Scottish referendum "did not meet international standards", with its observers complaining the count took place in rooms that were too big and that the procedure was badly flawed.

In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.

Borisov and three other Russians arrived in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening, the state news agency Ria Novosti reported. The team from Moscow's Public Institute of Suffrage watched voting take place in the Scottish capital and the surrounding area. It also met with Scottish politicians, voters and representatives from non-governmental organisations, Ria said.

Borisov said he was unimpressed by what he saw. He said the room where he watched the count on Thursday night was a cavernous "aircraft hangar" next to an airfield. It was difficult to see what was going on, he said, adding: "The hangar is approximately 100m by 300m. There are tables, with voting papers stacked upon them, but the observers are stuck around the perimeter. Even if you want to, it's impossible to tell what's happening. It's also unclear where the boxes with ballot papers come from."

Borisov said the US state department, the UK and other western countries loudly hectored the Kremlin about Russia's supposed democratic deficiencies. But in this instance, he said, London and Edinburgh had not "fully met" the requirements of a proper referendum.

"Nobody was interested in who was bringing in the voting slips. There were no stamps or signatures as the bulletins were handed over," he said"

Just remember - we have oil. Westminster needs Scotland - Scotland is too big an asset therefore for them to simply let go & will do everything under the sun to make sure we cant leave. 

And now this! Can there really be an explanation for this? Other than whats staring us right in the face! Scotland have been well and truly SCAMMED!


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    1. Somehow all my info was deleted - I think it was hacked as it all vanised so had to re-do everything. Have now taken a backup so it wont happen again.

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  2. I turned up with my ID and was shocked not to be asked for it.

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  3. No exit poll either........I smell shite......

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  4. How can this happen ? Is there anything we can do about it ? Scandalous !!!!

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    2. http://yes2014.net/2014/09/19/petition-revote/

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  5. i didnt have a card.phoned glasgow city council and was told by a lady i didnt need it and that she was told by her managers to advise everyone not to take ID.when i queried this stating anyone could vote as me she agreed then quietly told me to take it just in case

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  6. I was a postal vote scanner, i bundled them neatly together in piles if 50 with elastic bands before they were placed in a grey box and sealed. I am also a heartbroken and grieving 45r. All of these can probably be explained away. Dont know where you got the pic of the ballot paper but it certainly didnt resemble the one for the referendum. No-one needed id, maybe they should have stated a polling card was needed, just for proof of id purposes. All vans would have been followed, or should have been by each sides campaigners. Mistakes were probably made in every counting hall all over the country but there were too many human eyes there to ensure no rigging would occur.

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    1. If you're talking about the child's ballot card, I had exact same one. Also, if MI5 were involved, which is very likely the case in an event of vote rigging, then it's denial to refuse to believe the vote was rigged. It' actually should be something that everyone expected. Scotland gaining independence would have brought the establishment tot their knees. Do you really think they'd have allowed that?

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  7. I can't tell if this is a joke or not. You can't honestly believe this referendum was rigged.

    In case it's not a joke, then a few points:

    They know who voted what because of polling, particularly the follow up poll done by YouGov. Polling is also how they know what the postal votes percentages were. They wouldn't have barcodes to identify who voted for what because that means there wouldn't be anonymous votes - which is a cornerstone of democracy.

    The pile of yes votes in the no pile has already been explained by the "YesDundee" twitter account, they were just there before they were counted.

    I'm not going to bother going through point by point but if any of these had any truth to them the Yes Scotland campaign would be all over it and demanding a revote. Not to mention the press, and the electoral commission.

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    1. The press would most certainly NOT be all over a serious rigged-vote allegation.
      The press have, from the outset, made it quite clear that they support Cameron, Miliband, Clegg, Darling, and anybody else you care to mention in Westminster.
      They could hardly lose, could they...?

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    3. So in other words you're not going to form an opinion for yourself based on waiting on other organisations to object to this. Is that not what the BT lady would have done? Listen there are a few discrepancies raised in this blog that cannot be ignored, as you pointed out yourself barcodes were on polling cards but not on ballot papers so how do they actually know the age demographic which shows a Yes majority in the under 55s? A: This gives me and other YES voters great comfort, almost enough to accept the vote and 'move on' ,one day we will become independent just not the now? Is that not what that BT lady would do?

      I understand your scepticism I am not the type to jump onto conspiracy bandwagons either but on Friday morning when I first witnessed all this I just felt sick, since then I've gone through just about every emotion in the book but back to feeling sick again. If this is the kind of rubbish that was caught on camera wtf was going on everywhere else?

      On Friday hoards of unionists arrived in George Square draped in union jacks and singing rule Britannia. The square up until that point had been a family friendly carnival atmosphere. What we then witnessed was the ugly side of unionism but unionism none the less. You can't pick and choose what side of unionism you support. We see it every second weekend in the streets of Glasgow. We don't want that future for our children, perhaps this is the reason Glasgow voted YES.

      These bigots caught on camera harassing, insulting and assaulting people on Friday are thugs and criminals, the ones in Westminster wearing suits are thugs and criminals too they just go about it in a different way. Eyes open mate

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    4. Sign the petition if you want to make a difference.

      http://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties?share_id=VSdXviQaBg&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

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    5. Quote 'The pile of yes votes in the no pile has already been explained by the "YesDundee" twitter account, they were just there before they were counted.' If this is the case and they were genuinly uncounted votes then why did they have elastic bands round them?

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    6. also expalined. that is how postal votes arived at the polling stations.

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    7. Votes are not anonymous. They are secret, which is different.

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    8. http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/electoral_commission_pdf_file/0005/108941/SP-Postal-voting.pdf (page 5&6)

      On more than one occasion we witnessed ballot boxes being turned upside down and neat bundles of ballot papers in elastic bands falling out. If we are to believe that these had already been sorted and ready to be counted why is there no mention of this process in the document above? It clearly states that "Valid ballot papers (not the votes) are counted and the
      total number is recorded" I assume that is to add to the turnout figure? Then... "All valid ballot papers are placed into ballot boxes and stored securely before being delivered to the count venue after the close of poll" << No mention of elastic bands or anything else being used to separate votes. So at what stage did the elastic bands appear?

      This video shows Ruth Davidson admitting that votes had been "sampled" before 10pm and from my understanding from the above document no one is permitted to count or "sample" the votes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcL69gUtPb0&feature=youtu.be

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    9. @baz
      I can not watch the vid where I am but let me offer 2 senraions.

      1. the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party carmley admitted on telivision to breaking the law somthing that would get her at the very least fired and kicked out of office and posibley arrested. and none of this happened dispite this being a nationaley brodcats intrview.

      2. you have misunderstood what was said. or what happened

      now witch of these involves less pepole and less effort and is more likley?

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    10. @baz.
      here is a plausiable sernario for postal votes.

      they are sent to a central depo.

      at that depo they are opned the contace is checked to make suer that what is in the envlore is a balot paper and that there is no sign of fruad. (it would be easer to do this at a central location so you can have speclists on hand. and since time is not citicle shipping them all there is easer and cheeper) at this point you have observers from both sides lookng thigs over.

      if the balots are ok they are bundled togeatehr in batched of 300 or so (in the order they arive) and then packed into balot boxes these are sent on the day of the count to the polling stations. where they are counted with the rest

      this expalins all your "anomlies" with the postal votes. and is a simple and cheep system

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  8. I noticed the Glasgow-Dundee low turnouts on the night. What happened to the 10% of votes from these cities?? Glasgow was the most politically active city by far in the run up. And Everyone knows a Dundonian wouldn't miss the chance to get away from a Tory gov. Its so so so so suspect... But we cannot prove anything, and even if we could no one is going to listen, and pass it off as us being sore losers. I think we just need to rally. I'm certain the majority want to be Indy, and I'm sure next time we can make sure the proper measures are taken to prevent any fixing or fraud.

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  9. As Mark Twain said:
    "If voting made any difference, it would never be allowed"...

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  10. Can people please stop this nonsense? We lost this referendum because people fell for the scare stories and the promises of more devolution. This paranoid rubbish tarnishes the independence movement, which is not finished by a long shot.

    To explain just a few of these paranoid ramblings away:
    West Lothian: nobody "declared 130,000+". The ELECTORATE was 138,226. 119,115 is - you guessed it - 86.2% of the electorate. Nobody said there were 130,000+ ballots cast - just 130,000+ POSSIBLE VOTERS.

    Similarly, 4,283,392 was the final ELECTORATE for Scotland, not the final count. This article can't even give consistent numbers for the number of people who voted No, but regardless, there were no "missing votes", we simply didn't have a 100% turnout...

    The video which supposedly shows suspiciously-neatly-piled ballots being dumped onto a counting table - this clip is clearly from the start of the counting, and the first thing to get counted is POSTAL VOTES. These postal votes were opened up throughout the week leading up to the referendum and put back into ballot boxes without anyone seeing what was on them. They are neat because they've been PLACED into the ballot box after being opened, rather than being posted through the top.

    Paul Birrell up there got laughed at by police officers because the idea that every ballot box would be accompanied by police officers IS absurd. Let's face it, even if they had, you'd still have paranoid idiots going "ooooh, the police were probably bribed to turn a blind eye" or something. The tape with the serial number is there to show the box hasn't been opened, and polling agents can even put their OWN tape on if they really want to.

    Skye did indeed vote Yes to independence... but Skye isn't a council area. The Highlands as a whole voted No. Some parts of Aberdeen voted Yes, but that doesn't change the fact Aberdeen voted No overall.

    And that's just the claims that aren't so wacky and bizarre that it's impossible to even start debunking them. The most annoying thing about these stories are they're perpetuated by people who did bugger all to help on the day - and I can say that with confidence, because anyone who did knows these stories are nonsense. The most helpful thing the author of this site could do is take the site down and get involved in their local campaigns instead. Perhaps if more people had done that in the first place, we'd have won the referendum in the first place...

    Seriously people, we did not lose this because of vote rigging. We lost it because we were starting from a base of about 30% support and had to combat the full might of the British state, media and corporate world. That we got to 45% was remarkable, and means we know how far we have to go for the next time. At least nobody can say independence is a minority obsession any more.

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    1. Well said. Over 5000 polling stations means a lot of eyes. The sad thing is that people are regurgitating these stories as if they all point to a conspiracy whereas most point to a lack of understanding of voting procedure (the outrage that some people didn't get id'd) and a lack of understanding of basic maths (the picture about a missing 663,477 votes for example was either written by an idiot or was a wind up).

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  11. We have 5 weeks to petition the court of session to launch a judicial review. So please sign this petition. https://www.change.org/p/court-of-session-review-scottish-independence-referendum?recruiter=151429455&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

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  12. It's all a bit fishy, especially with Cameron slinking are the Shetlands the other week refusing to speak to press before bombarding us with over emotional speeches... Now we find out about all this Oil stuff? I think something has gone on. And with so much doubt and so many votes missing I think a recount or revote should take place, even if it's in another years time. So many votes should not been missing.

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  13. ok I am going to go throught all of thouse points indervidualy to prove I read it.
    “No police. Better Together campaigners mind you. “
    We are a civilisied country (at least It is where I live in oxfordshire) so there is no need for security at our voteing stations. And there are usuley some observers/campainers at poling stations somtime it is one side or the other. When I votes in local electiosn here there was consertive campainers but one form any other party

    “The paper - was thin, nothing printed on the back, very odd? I didnt get ID'd either at the polling station. Anyway popped my vote into the box and off I went - hopeful and excited. “

    you do not get ID’ed (I have never been and I have voted in 5 elections and 1 refrendium) see pervious point when you vote in this country all you need is your poling card. And most ballots are usuley very simple the ID number usuley just a little number on the top
    “Several reports of people showing up to vote only to be told they had ALREADY voted? “
    Intrstingley we had the same reports from the last genral election I wander what happened to the investergation of thouse? One of them was a bbc reporter. But even if it is true the ost likely explination id bad buracty.
    “Sean McMillian "My cousin went to vote in Stevenston but someone had already voted in her name. Just another example."
    Arlene Moran "My friends son went to vote but his vote had already been used they phoned the police but have to report it to the electoral people before they will get involved would this be your local council electoral department ? "

    Alan McGillveary : "I personally witnessed two guys turn up to vote no who said their property in the Kelvin ward had already been demolished...How many "phantom" voters in Scotland?"”

    Hearsay. all of it and I am not even sure what that last one is implaying.
    Ok pic time.
    pic :1 is an example not a ballot.
    Pic 2 and 3: the name on the card is haris crayton. The name on the passport is haris camperbell.
    Pic 4: not sure what is implide here but on the evidence she is allowed to vote as she has property and there for is a resident.
    Pic 5: seames like normal descusion to me nothing here at all.

    “Now if you live in Scotland - you will know. The media was clearly on the NO side. However the public, the majority were on the YES side. Everywhere you looked there were YES flags, stickers,posters - my friends and family at least 80% YES , and everyone else I spoke to says the same. So the final result came as a MASSIVE SHOCK!”
    To the pollsters to. But this happens in every elections there is a silent consertive percentage that apose change and they do not speek up but they vote. This is why the Consertive party in the UK usuley polls higher than they test early on. More to the point the yes campaign was very vocal. On my face book I heard only yes till 2 days before and one of my friends said they had been quirt but they where going to vote no. 1 post for them vs dossens for the yes people. But there votes count. It is who votes not who shouts.

    I will get to the rest in a follow on post as I can only cope with so many conspricies in 1 go

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    1. Better re-check 2/3 again. Crayton is his forename, and is clearly printed above Harris Campbell...

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    2. The childs name is clearly Harris Campbell Crayton. Crayton is his surname, Harris Campbell being his fore and middle names.

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    3. might have read it didnt look properly. look at pics 2 and 3 again!! as you couldnt get that right your points are void!!!

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    4. Childs name is Harris Campbell Crayton read passport correctly!!!!!!!!

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    5. apologies I will correct. or I would if it let me.

      but all my polling cards have had full name on it (first name, middle name, last name) and it is not unknown for a child to have the same first name, last name as a familey member. (I do for my grandfarther) so this is not a smoking gun. even if it was issued to the child it is a worst a bureaucratic cock up. it can happen especial when you are expanding out the voting age to 16. (I thought the yes campaign did better with youths so shurley you want all the young voters you can get?)

      but all the comments on that non on the other points?

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    6. Your points are valid as your opinion, but are also invalid as your opinion is hearsay as you put it, so therefore is inadmisable as proof. Now off topic subject can you use a spellcheck as you are damaging your case, as its based on your observation when clearly it is flawed as you are making major spelling mistakes & not correcting them either you are very young or you don't have the ability to be commenting on this subject.

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    7. Jamesy699 - You should re-think your comments on spelling mistakes. Anyone can make a typo, I do it all the time. The first thing that jumped out at me was that the writer might be dyslexic. English might not be their first language (remember, non-Scots were entitled to vote if they lived in Scotland long enough to qualify), they might have been in a rush, or they may even have a dodgy keyboard (I do, and it misses letters I type all the time). How can spelling mistakes damage someone's case? Spelling is NOT indicative of intelligence, high or low, and to suggest or outright state that is simply wrong. You might also want to check your own comment, as you will see it lacks basic punctuation. You also spelled "inadmissible" incorrectly.

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    8. I am in fact badley dyslexic. I will not go into it here but it still efects my life a lot. I have parcipated in numrious elections both in england and in soctland. I was even involved in the refrendium for the scotish parlemrent. if I can I make a habit of staying up to watch the full election covrage on the BBC and have done so since I was 14 and intrested in the 1992 elections. so my knolage of what happend and is suposed to happen on election nights comes form some exprance as an onlooked and parcipent in the voteing process.

      as for your asumption that because my work is badley spelt it's contance must be bad as well that is the same sort of superficle reasion displayed in this blog post and I would sugest you need to look inot more detail before you make your mind up.

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    9. in addition facts are not opinion. I have stated sevral facts to go with my opnions to dismiss all I posted as my opnion is just wrong.

      you are making a positive asurtion. that the refrendum was rigged in spite of the claims by observers from both sides it was not there for the burden of proof is yours. as such you need to present facts to suport your assurtion. other wise hitchins razor aplies. as it dose to 90% of what is presented above

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitchens%27s_razor

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  14. 1.Did you all know that ballot papers were not picked up under secure conditions? Just some person with no security or surveillance???
    2. Riot police cleared everyone from the royal mile at 3am what did they know that none of us knew? Places had licenses to stay open till 5am!
    3. Reports all over the place of people working the system to have vote even though they don't stay here but they have property they rent out.
    4. Postal votes have went missing.
    5. Big rush on housing market of houses up for sale.
    6. Cameron and crew didn't have any plans for a yes vote..... how confident is that?
    7.Bets in Scotland from the people for yes vote were in majority...
    8. Possible vote tinkering caught on film....
    9.countless stories of intimidation
    10 (url delted to save space)
    11 Two evacuations in Dundee... how handy but I still believe most of the rigging went on at a lot of the polling stations before our votes were treated like crap I.e no security any auld person and any auld van.
    and a fact just out of old Scottish humour more than 70% of Scotland depressed....
    All these things point to YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT'S BEEN BLOODY RIGGED!
    Watch these two videos Have been told this is a Russian video but it shows if it can happen there it can happen here!
    Dundee had 2 fire alarms go off, and rooms evacuated for 20 minutes - ballot boxes sitting in room with no supervision.

    ok again for the sake of argument I am going to assume all is correct dispite none of it having proof
    1. First point civilised country
    2. Yes they knew it was going to be close either way poisble riot
    3. Working the system is not fraud.
    4. How do you know
    5. People want to buy houses in Scotland!! (seriously point 3)
    6. Yes they did have plans. But they did not want to appear less confident because that is what you do in politics.
    7. Again most votes not loudest shouters
    8. None of what I have seen on film is correct.
    9. Form both sides.
    10. How dose he know?
    11. The video was posted on sep 11 CLAIMING to be Russian for all we know it could be staged but what we know is it is NOT from the refredumidum.
    ok pic s again.
    pic 7 and 8. has “meidaunderground” ever run an election? Where they at any counts?
    “I've just heard via my mother who's friend was working at one of the counting stations that she witnessed ballot boxes being destroyed and has video evidence and is going to the police with it folks this is actually unbelievable"
    that is a video I woild like to see but till it is posted I am not convinced by hearsay.
    pic 8. Looks like she has only started. It even could be before she has started and thouse are uncounted votes she has put there till she gets her station ready.
    Pic 9: a unknown person is realy trustworthy. And votes are counted not just weighed you can not just dump yes marked papers in a no pile and expect to get away with it.
    Pic 10: “In her capacity as Returning Officer, Lorraine McMillan, the council's Chief Executive, conducts the following elections in East Renfrewshire: Council; Scottish ..” www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk/elections-and-voting.
    Pics 11 and 12. It looks to me as if thouse tables are ajucation tables there for the piles that are neet are ones that have come from other tables. That is why they are neet and tied..
    Pics 13. how dose the posty know? They would not need to be specailey sperated they would already have that address on them. Even if true sending postal votes to a place to be verified is good sence as postal ballots are the most vunrable to fraud.
    Pic 14. They don’t it was a campaigning estermate. Probabley based on a phone poll of registeded postal voters.
    Pic 15. 16, 17. The YES campaign said that this was during setup thouse are uncounted votes on the table for storage you can even see in pic 17 that they are still setting up.
    Pic 18. turnout was 119.155 ELECROTE was 138,000 you will note 119.155 is 85% of 138,226

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  15. “Quote Mark McNaught ; "I was at the Glasgow vote count and it's easy to see how the vote could have been rigged. It took place in the cavernous Emirates arena. There were tables spread out over hundreds of metres where observers could walk around and watch the counters separate into yes and no stacks and put them into bundles. I walked around looking over the shoulders of people who were doing informal marking and it looked a blowout for yes. A guy with a computer was tabulating the informal surveys and it looked at least 60-40 for yes in Glasgow. I think the official tally was 53-47. The stacks were put in boxes in the packs which was off limits to anyone. Yes stacks could have been put in no stacks easily. This would have been done by election officials rather than counters. This was in Glasgow where there was more monitoring. Smaller constituencies were even more prone to manipulation. An internationally observed recount needs to take place, if they haven't already burned the ballots."

    Both Dundee and Glasgow may have voted yes but the figures did not match expectations. Nor did the vote turnout. There is no way this vote was rigged by clerks miscounting, spoiling papers etc. That is not how vote rigging is done.
    The most used methods are
    1) Scaring the people into an establishment vote, often by violence, sometimes by fear.
    2) Swapping ballot papers in large numbers: eg; in an area predominantly for a particular choice, whole boxes would be swapped containing mainly establishment vote.
    3) Whole boxes of votes from anti establish enemy areas completely removed and the registers altered to make this look like a lower turnout.
    4) Falsifying voters roll - not a likely option, yields a poor return for high risk
    The above would require poor security from polls to count or possible temporary evacuation of a polling area for something like a fire scare !
    All changing would be done by govt agents eg MI5 not by clerks.
    However they would encourage lots of opportunity for vote rigging allegations to be made. When these prove to be nonsense/irrelevant it makes all further accusations seem ridiculous and desperate.
    If this vote is rigged it is a long time planned. The clauses re recount/vote in Edinburgh agreement are odd ! No exit poll is also odd !
    Bookies paying out early- despite close polls is bizarre and requires fraud squad investigation.”

    All of this is conspricy jabbering and the man at the beginning is clarley not an exprainced election observer.

    Pic 18. Postal votes are not announced sepratley.
    Pic 19. Expected is not a certinley of reality and we have gone into yes papers on a no table.
    Pic 20. Nothing concrete presented here but wild speclation.
    Pic 21. Hand writing dose not make it more legitmate.. this seames to be another compalinte about the transport of ballots. There was nothing different here than other elections
    Pic 22. 85% of people registered votes, for people new to democry that is very hi not low.
    Pic 23. What is this caliming that 663,477 votes but not counted? Or 663,477 not votes this is the first time I have seen the number but it looks like to be that 4283392 is registered electroite and 3899455 is votes cast.
    Pic 24. The voter Id thing sounds dogy to me but I suspect that they where asked and she got it wrong. Again we have delt with the drivers thing.
    Pic 25. Ian blackford is gessing here he dose not know like any other person before the count.

    Vidios: none of them show anything new I have gone over them. The only ting to say is that they show people whth little understanding of the system taking tings out of context and guessing.

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    1. Yeah really? people writing on ballot papers and adding them to the pile is normal in a counting room REALLY? too many to dismiss mate! but I'm sure they will talk their way out of it hmm!

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    2. if you could prove that thne by all mens show it but I do not see that in what you presented here

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    3. and adding more false calims to the pile dose not make any of them correct.

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  16. On russiisa I think this for the very article says it well. “In an apparent attempt to mirror persistent western criticism of Russia's own elections, Igor Borisov – an accredited observer – said the poll failed to meet basic international norms.”

    It is puttin trying to play politicle games. He is under presser form the west over the crimira and he wants a chance to jab back.


    Summary.
    There is nothing here and a lot of what is presented is factuley wrong. They did not even check things like who actuley was the returning officer r the number of votes cast. More of it appears to be that people expected a yes from there own friends and are shocked at a no but if you only listen to people you agree with then you get a very distorted picture of reality

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  17. That happened to my friend in campbeltown she went to vote and they said she already had voted which she did not do

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  18. Myself and my partner both had no polling card and we weren't asked to produce id.

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  19. I had almost forgotten this event, despite it seeming odd at the time, but your article prompted my memory. On the day that registration to the electoral role close I received a phone call from a lady at my local electoral office asking if a man was trying to register to vote at my address. I said yes, that's my husband (we had recently moved). She then told me the man's name to check, thankfully, because it wasn't my husband's name! We were both very puzzled and she said she'd look into it. While I had her on the phone I asked if she'd received my husband's registration form ok as I was a bit concerned by this development. She graciously went and checked and came back with a 'no' - apparently it went missing. Thankfully she allowed us to e-mail her a scanned copy of the form as it was after 4pm on closing day. This could be a coincidence, but I didn't want to not mention it incase anyone else had a similar experience. I really really don't want the question of a re-count to lead to bickering or bad feeling, but if half of what is written above it true then we need a recount in my opinion.

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    1. fortentley none of what above is true

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    2. MM, I am inclined to agree with you, I'm certain that plenty of the above points can be explained satisfactorily. However, given tge many reports of extra polling cards floating about and the fact that a strange man tried to register to vote at my address without my knowledge I feel a tad suspicious and would like an investigation.

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  20. and why was there pencils,,it should be done in pen,,this is not right,,our country is at stake here,,,100% fixed i reckon :(

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    1. they where wax pencle. so that they did not run and spoil the balot. you can not erase a wax pencial without leaving an obvious mark and that would have been spoted.

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    2. It wasn't a wax pencil at my polling station, I used my pen just to make sure as I found that rather strange.

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  21. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11094592/Concern-as-child-aged-three-registered-to-vote-in-referendum.html I find it odd that the Labour party have registered an official complaint about the referendum process given that we are told it was a fair process...

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    1. intresting article. it brings up 2 points.

      1. it shows why usuley voteing is restricted to 18+ as there are legal ramifactions to letting (still legaley) children vote.
      2. the compalit is regsted by the NO side. as I would expect as we know that young pepole favor inderpendance.

      eather way it would not efect the result in order for it to do so you would have to have 1000's of a) kids registered, b)perents voteing fr thouse kids and in doing so voteing twice, c) all voteing NO. e) none of this being spoted at any stage.

      it looks to me like what the protest actley sugests it is buracratic cockup brought about by the fact that the had only 2 years to expand the electrat out to 16 year olds. again somthign that it was the YES campain wanted

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    2. The point here is that there is a large discrepancy noted here by the winning side.

      This vote has clearly been given more scrutiny by members of the public than any recent previous ones and so may have merely exposed the system to be more clunky than it was thought to be.

      I'm very reluctantly posting here as I don't think its particularly helpful or respectful to no voters to cry 'fix' but if our voting system isn't fit for purpose then that aught to be of concern to everyone and a proper investigation carried out to determine if this is indeed the case.

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    3. Also, to assume tat a few hundred extra votes noticed to have been given to both children and adults won't affect the result anyway is an affront to the democratic process.

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  22. It's simple, there will be conspiracy theories for ever more on this, unless Westminster allow an independent recount. There will be speculation on ballot papers being missing and cannot be located for the recount etc. However, this argument is splitting the Scottish people and needs to be resolved. Go to the Government website and register on the e-petition and lets see what happens. epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/69707

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  23. This could have all been avoided if an independent non-UK party had been brought in to oversee the vote. Instead, Cameron insisted that the electoral commission do it. I don't see why he was so insistent about that if it was all going to be above board anyway.

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  24. When my partner and I turned up to vote in Ardersier we were not asked to supply any ID. My partner went first and gave her address (it could have been anyone's address really) to which they stated her name off the list, she nodded and was allowed to vote. I merely said "same address" and was also allowed.

    I was also concerned that we were given pencils to vote with (soft lead pencils that perhaps wouldn't leave the same impression on the paper that an HB might).

    Finally, on leaving the polling station we were told by the Yes campaigner situated some distance from the entrance to the station that she had just been approached and intimidated by a No campaigner who informed her she would be reported for breaking the law. I wonder if others have had a similar experience and if this was a co-ordinated tactic of intimidation by the Better Together side.

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  25. mm1145, for god's sake, learn to spell and punctuate, people may take you a bit more seriously then!

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